Does Disney have a right to limit your use?

wdw&tk · 10-27-2006

Here is a question that is on my mind. Does Disney have the right to limit the rights you have as a Disney owner. When you buy a property or a timeshare, as is the case with Disney points, you have certain rights and benenfits inherent in the law. The acronym SLUDGE illustrates these rights.

S ell the points
L ease the points (rent them)
U se the points
D o nothing with them
G ive them away (will them)
E enter the property

If these are rights you have as an owner, how can Disney unilaterally change the rights and say that you can't do more than one transfer a year.

Some people may be renting the points as a business, but many owners are not in this group. They have bought the points with the understanding that they or family members and friends can enjoy the use of their membership.

What happens if the family has grown up and the need is no longer there for a two bedroom unit. You have 400 points and can't take more than a week or two of vacations and a studio is more than sufficient. Why should you be limited how you use your extra points.

To me this is not right, what do you think?

Cavey · 10-27-2006

I think you either sign a contract agreeing to their terms or you don't. If enough people don't, they'll change their offer. However, at this time, supply & demand favors Disney.

Andrea · 10-27-2006

Yes.

I put in Donald because I like him and "yes" gets me in trouble with the "post not long enough" police.

rlcarmichael · 10-28-2006

As I understand it the transfer is only between you and another DVC member. You can still "rent" the points and make reservations in anybody's name for a many times as your points allow.

Demand means DVC is the ONLY timeshare that I am aware of that actually has increased in value. It all goes back the the 3 most important factors in real estate...location, location, and location.

wdw&tk · 10-28-2006

Richard, thank you for the clarification I wasn't aware of that. You are right the 3 most important factors to real estate value are location, location, location, however, in this situation I think location s/b replaced with Disney, Disney, Disney. As far as the value holding itself or making a profit. This is true only because Disney is excercising their ROFR, which is keeping the value up. Please don't get me wrong, I think this is beneficial to both Disney and the current owners and I am not against it.

Going back to my original question, should Disney have the right to limit you transferring your points to another DVC member?

mrflorida74 · 10-30-2006

I'd suspect Disney can do whatever they want to within the terms of the contract that all members sign.

I think Disney lets you do all your SLUDGE items but with certain criteria built in.

Sell them - BUT Disney has first buy-back option
Lease them - BUT not more than once a year
Use them - BUT only if accommodation is available
Do nothing with them - BUT lose them after 2 years
Give them away - BUT probably pay an admin fee
Enter the property - BUT only if property is available

Goofy Daddy · 10-30-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1disneylover

Going back to my original question, should Disney have the right to limit you transferring your points to another DVC member?

Sure, why wouldn't they have that right? They are not saying you don't have your "SLUDGE rights" they are just limiting how often/much a member can use some of those rights. That is not the same as "unilaterally changing" the rights. The rights are the same, members still have those same rights, there is just a "cap" placed on how certain rights can be accessed. A loophole or technicality to be sure, but still with in the rights of Disney to do so with their club.

wdw&tk · 10-31-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrflorida74

I'd suspect Disney can do whatever they want to within the terms of the contract that all members sign.

I think Disney lets you do all your SLUDGE items but with certain criteria built in.

Sell them - BUT Disney has first buy-back option
Lease them - BUT not more than once a year
Use them - BUT only if accommodation is available
Do nothing with them - BUT lose them after 2 years
Give them away - BUT probably pay an admin fee
Enter the property - BUT only if property is available

Hi John, Your response is excellent, it put a smile on my face, I really got a good laugh with it. How true it is.

Best regards,

10-27-2006	#1 (permalink)
wdw&tk Senior Mouseketeer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 118	Does Disney have a right to limit your use? Here is a question that is on my mind. Does Disney have the right to limit the rights you have as a Disney owner. When you buy a property or a timeshare, as is the case with Disney points, you have certain rights and benenfits inherent in the law. The acronym SLUDGE illustrates these rights. S ell the points L ease the points (rent them) U se the points D o nothing with them G ive them away (will them) E enter the property If these are rights you have as an owner, how can Disney unilaterally change the rights and say that you can't do more than one transfer a year. Some people may be renting the points as a business, but many owners are not in this group. They have bought the points with the understanding that they or family members and friends can enjoy the use of their membership. What happens if the family has grown up and the need is no longer there for a two bedroom unit. You have 400 points and can't take more than a week or two of vacations and a studio is more than sufficient. Why should you be limited how you use your extra points. To me this is not right, what do you think? Last edited by wdw&tk; 10-28-2006 at 12:02 AM.

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Cavey MB's Rabble Rouser® Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Carlinville, IL Posts: 6,144	Re: Does Disney have a right to limit your use? I think you either sign a contract agreeing to their terms or you don't. If enough people don't, they'll change their offer. However, at this time, supply & demand favors Disney. __________________ . . Cavey, Tigger, BossMouse, Soundgod Erin, and Lil'pocohantas in association with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and Juicy Juice are proud to present Cavey-Fest III December 13, 2008

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Andrea Dole Whip Apostate Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Shasta in my heart Posts: 2,815	Re: Does Disney have a right to limit your use? Yes. I put in Donald because I like him and "yes" gets me in trouble with the "post not long enough" police. __________________ x´¨) x¸.•´ ¸.•´¨"...make sure you don't grow up stupid.¸.•´¨) (¸.•´xxxxxxxxxxxxIt's bad for the world."xxxxxxxxxxx ¸.•´ xxxxxxxxxxxxx--Tami Taylor, Friday Night Lightsxxxxxxxxxx(¸.•`* My Disney Countdown Counting down to: I have absolutely nothing to look forward too. :-(

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rlcarmichael Too many DVC points? NST Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chesapeake VA Posts: 1,996	Re: Does Disney have a right to limit your use? As I understand it the transfer is only between you and another DVC member. You can still "rent" the points and make reservations in anybody's name for a many times as your points allow. Demand means DVC is the ONLY timeshare that I am aware of that actually has increased in value. It all goes back the the 3 most important factors in real estate...location, location, and location. __________________ Richard Carmichael, Chesapeake VA DVC Member BLT, VGC & SSR 2009 SSR(x2), AKV, BWV, BLT(x2), VB, DCL Magic; 2008-SSR, WLV, OKW YC; 2007-YC, GF: DCL Wonder; 2006-SSR, SoG, Poly; 2005- Poly (x2), Orange Lake; 1999-Courtyard LB; Disney Inn (RIP - now SoG) '90, '88, '86 Make-A-Wish Volunteer www.wish.org My Wish - no Wish Kids to send to see THE* Mouse.* 2nd Fav Org - Give Kids The World Village www.gktw.org My Disney Countdown Counting down to: BLT Mk Christmas Trip 17 days 18 hours 29 minutes

10-28-2006	#5 (permalink)
wdw&tk Senior Mouseketeer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 118	Re: Does Disney have a right to limit your use? Richard, thank you for the clarification I wasn't aware of that. You are right the 3 most important factors to real estate value are location, location, location, however, in this situation I think location s/b replaced with Disney, Disney, Disney. As far as the value holding itself or making a profit. This is true only because Disney is excercising their ROFR, which is keeping the value up. Please don't get me wrong, I think this is beneficial to both Disney and the current owners and I am not against it. Going back to my original question, should Disney have the right to limit you transferring your points to another DVC member?

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10-30-2006	#6 (permalink)
mrflorida74 Senior Mouseketeer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lincoln, ENGLAND Posts: 208	Re: Does Disney have a right to limit your use? I'd suspect Disney can do whatever they want to within the terms of the contract that all members sign. I think Disney lets you do all your SLUDGE items but with certain criteria built in. Sell them - BUT Disney has first buy-back option Lease them - BUT not more than once a year Use them - BUT only if accommodation is available Do nothing with them - BUT lose them after 2 years Give them away - BUT probably pay an admin fee Enter the property - BUT only if property is available __________________ . John, Lincoln, ENGLAND

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