If the Disney Cruise Line sailed out of LA, would you go? - Page 2

mattomouseman · 06-03-2003

Pretty silly thing for me to do since they already sail oout of Florida. I'f I were to fly to the west coast for an Island vacation I would just hop back on the plane and head for Hawaii!!!!!!!!!!:)

neen626 · 06-03-2003

[quote]Originally posted by krafty
[b]I'm curious as to where it would cruise to? Your stop-over points are fairly limited... Mexico? You cannot cruise Hawaii (by law) without visiting a foreign port.

I did not know that. What is the reason? We did a cruise around the Hawaiian Islands that was awesome 4 yrs ago.
Sorry off the subject.

We live in FL so obviously cruising from FL is much easier for us. However, it is always nice to go someplace new, so I would be open to a cruise out of Los Angeles. I've heard Ensenada and Cabo San Lucas are very nice...

mamakay · 06-03-2003

I was just thinking about this the other day. I'm planning a B-Day cruise for my daughter (not 'til 2006) and I was thinking how much easier it would be if it sailed out of Los Angeles (We live 30 minutes from LA).

I'm making the Disney Cruise in Florida a 1-time thing, but if there was a cruise leaving L.A., it would become a yearly vacation!!

Hope it really happens!
:D :D :D ,
Katherine

krafty · 06-03-2003

There's a law (sorry, don't know if it's federal or state, my guess is state) that requires any typical cruise vessel to visit a foreign port in order to cruise around the Hawaiian islands. Currently there's only one cruise company, Norwegian, that sails Hawaii for that reason. If you look at their itinerary, you sail south to Fanning Island, Republic of Kiribati, are there for about 8 hours, then sail back. Others are Hawaii-Vancouver.

The reasoning for this I'm guessing is so that the waters off Hawaii don't become cluttered with large cruise ships. Also, these particular cruises are without casinos onboard. (While this isn't an issue with a possible Disney cruise, most cruise veterans are used to the casinos as timewasters between ports.) A co-worker took this particular cruise, and the trip back and forth to Fanning Island was exceedingly boring, he said. Fanning Island is also a... less than ideal port.

This is about all I know about the situation, but I hope it helps. Maybe someone else knows more?

**mickey** · 06-03-2003

Hopefully, this may explain the Hawaii thing:

One of the more important things to consider when selecting a cruise is that due to the Passenger Services Act (aka the Jones Act), passed in 1886, to protect US flag ships with cabotage laws, all non US flagged ships must call in a foreign port. This is the passage from the PSA that defines the law: "No foreign vessel shall transport passengers between ports or places in the United States, either directly or by way of a foreign port, under a penalty of $200 for each passenger so transported and landed." The law still stands on the books today and is strictly enforced. Until a US flagged cruise line resumes service within the state of Hawaii (American Hawaii and US Cruise Lines went bankrupt as a result of 9/11) you will have to call on a foreign port.

Other cruise lines serve Hawaii, but NCL is the only one that does so year round. For Disney to go to Hawaii, they would have to stop in Ensenada, Mexico on the way in order to do it.

WEDINDISNEY · 06-04-2003

Since we live in NJ it is so much easier to fly to Florida. Like someone else said, going out to Calif you waste too much time. And with the time changes and all. Besides I really dont like DL. Its been along time since Ive been there, but even when I check out the website every now and then it really doesnt thrill me.

I just LOVE Disney World :heart

Willbegone · 06-04-2003

With me too it is a matter of geography, I live in SC so FL is sooooo much more convient. Plue I've never flown before and I can drive to FL.

mmouse67l · 06-04-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by brumcg
How about Pacific Northwest to Japan and Tokyo Disney? :)

Bruce

That would be too cool.

Take a 1 hour ferry ride to my cruise ship instead of a 5 hour flight and get to see Tokyo Disney... that would be a happy day indeed!

iluvwdw · 06-04-2003

I voted NO, BUT I'D LEAVE FROM FLA...

I have taken 4 cruises (3 from New York and 1 from Miami) and ABSOLUTELY love cruises!!! I will definitely take my DS on a Disney Cruise one day, but for now, he's only 19 months and you still have to pay full price for infants and toddlers! So we will wait a while..definitely at least 4-5 years! But I would leave from Florida, not Los Angeles. I agree with others on this thread, gettiing there would be such a hassle,when I can easily hop on a plane for 2 1/2 hours to Florida! What about a Disney Cruise from New York??? THAT would be awesome!!! They could go to Florida and the Bahamas...something like that. I wonder if it's in the works...:hmmm

grammy · 06-04-2003

I'm with you iluvwdw!

I've taken several cruisses and absolutely love them. So relaxing! My favorite was a med cruise -- actually, "Pearls of the Med"! :love: :)

Especially if my kids were still kids, I would take the family on a Disney cruise. I've heard wonderful things from friends who have taken their families -- but out of Florida! :) :heart :)

mickaholic4077 · 06-05-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by brumcg
Krafty,

What's up with the Hawaii & foreign port law? Sounds odd.

On a Travel Channel special, they mentioned that Disney would eventually like a fleet of 10-12 ships. I'd love to see one leave from the Pacific Northwest going to Alaska and back...but there wouldn't be an easy park tie-in.

How about Pacific Northwest to Japan and Tokyo Disney? :)

Bruce

Bruce,if a ship goes to only American ports,then they will have to pay their crew American wages,not the c++p wages that the crew gets,which is why they rely so heavily on tips.

mickaholic4077 · 06-05-2003

Also,I was on Cruise411.com yesterday,and the cheapest price for a 4-night Disney cruise was 569 dollars PLUS port charges,etc.,and the cheapest price for a 7 night of Miami on the Norway with ALL fees was 428 dollars. I think the reason Disney cruises are SO expensive is the fact that they don't have casinos and since alot of their passengers are children who don't drink,they have to make money somehow.

crystalrp · 06-05-2003

Another reason for the cost, mickaholic, may be that the child care clubs are available free of charge from early in the morning until midnight. I love the disney cruises!

fanatic720 · 06-06-2003

I have been on many a cruise, and would defiantely take a disney cruise outta LA, it would be my first from that port. and what better cruise line to choose for my cruising needs?

CoastieMom · 06-09-2003

I would have posted yes for LA but then I realized that LA wasn't Lower Alabama.....:)

View Poll Results: If the Disney Cruise Line sailed out of LA, would you go?
Yes!	15	26.32%
No, but I would go from FL	29	50.88%
No, I don't like cruises	3	5.26%
Maybe, if the price was right	10	17.54%
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06-03-2003	#16 (permalink)
mattomouseman Grumpmeister Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Westchester Co. NY Posts: 1,746	Pretty silly thing for me to do since they already sail oout of Florida. I'f I were to fly to the west coast for an Island vacation I would just hop back on the plane and head for Hawaii!!!!!!!!!!:) __________________ Disneyland1972 WDW1975 Disneyland1987 2000~CBR,2001~Wilderness Lodge 2002~Coronado Springs,2003 Poly, 2004 Disneyland Grand Californian NEVER FORGET, NEVER SURRENDER-GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.

06-03-2003	#17 (permalink)
neen626 Big Cheese Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seminole, FL Posts: 800	[quote]Originally posted by krafty [b]I'm curious as to where it would cruise to? Your stop-over points are fairly limited... Mexico? You cannot cruise Hawaii (by law) without visiting a foreign port. I did not know that. What is the reason? We did a cruise around the Hawaiian Islands that was awesome 4 yrs ago. Sorry off the subject. We live in FL so obviously cruising from FL is much easier for us. However, it is always nice to go someplace new, so I would be open to a cruise out of Los Angeles. I've heard Ensenada and Cabo San Lucas are very nice... __________________ Prepare to be awed. Inspired. Thrilled and enchanted. You're about to enter a world where anything can happen, and often does! A world where imagination and adventure come alive all around you! x´¨) x¸.•´ ¸.•´¨)xxxx¸.•¨) (¸.•´xxxxxx(¸.•`xxxxx Nina *´¨) Port Orleans Riverside Grand Floridian~ 2006 Polynesian ~ 2006 Grand Floridian Pop Century Coronado Springs ~ 2005 Port Orleans Riverside ~ 2004 Coronado Springs ~ 2003

06-03-2003	#18 (permalink)
mamakay Mouseketeer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 39	YES!!! I was just thinking about this the other day. I'm planning a B-Day cruise for my daughter (not 'til 2006) and I was thinking how much easier it would be if it sailed out of Los Angeles (We live 30 minutes from LA). I'm making the Disney Cruise in Florida a 1-time thing, but if there was a cruise leaving L.A., it would become a yearly vacation!! Hope it really happens! :D :D :D , Katherine

06-03-2003	#19 (permalink)
krafty Mouseketeer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 75	There's a law (sorry, don't know if it's federal or state, my guess is state) that requires any typical cruise vessel to visit a foreign port in order to cruise around the Hawaiian islands. Currently there's only one cruise company, Norwegian, that sails Hawaii for that reason. If you look at their itinerary, you sail south to Fanning Island, Republic of Kiribati, are there for about 8 hours, then sail back. Others are Hawaii-Vancouver. The reasoning for this I'm guessing is so that the waters off Hawaii don't become cluttered with large cruise ships. Also, these particular cruises are without casinos onboard. (While this isn't an issue with a possible Disney cruise, most cruise veterans are used to the casinos as timewasters between ports.) A co-worker took this particular cruise, and the trip back and forth to Fanning Island was exceedingly boring, he said. Fanning Island is also a... less than ideal port. This is about all I know about the situation, but I hope it helps. Maybe someone else knows more? __________________ I've stayed at Polynesian, Wilderness Lodge, Contemporary, Caribbean Beach, Old Key West and Boardwalk.

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06-03-2003	#20 (permalink)
mickey Administrator Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,229	Hopefully, this may explain the Hawaii thing: One of the more important things to consider when selecting a cruise is that due to the Passenger Services Act (aka the Jones Act), passed in 1886, to protect US flag ships with cabotage laws, all non US flagged ships must call in a foreign port. This is the passage from the PSA that defines the law: "No foreign vessel shall transport passengers between ports or places in the United States, either directly or by way of a foreign port, under a penalty of $200 for each passenger so transported and landed." The law still stands on the books today and is strictly enforced. Until a US flagged cruise line resumes service within the state of Hawaii (American Hawaii and US Cruise Lines went bankrupt as a result of 9/11) you will have to call on a foreign port. Other cruise lines serve Hawaii, but NCL is the only one that does so year round. For Disney to go to Hawaii, they would have to stop in Ensenada, Mexico on the way in order to do it. __________________ Frank Costanza: You can drop a grand in Disney World, like that. My Disney Countdown Counting down to: Disneyland, 2008 I am riding the Matterhorn

06-04-2003	#21 (permalink)
WEDINDISNEY Mouse Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NOW NJ SOMEDAY WDW Posts: 1,469	Since we live in NJ it is so much easier to fly to Florida. Like someone else said, going out to Calif you waste too much time. And with the time changes and all. Besides I really dont like DL. Its been along time since Ive been there, but even when I check out the website every now and then it really doesnt thrill me. I just LOVE Disney World :heart __________________ 2008 OKW 2008 WLV 2007 AKV & SSR 2007 OKW 2006 SARATOGA SPRINGS (X-MAS) 2006 POFQ 2005 WYNDHAM PALACE DTD 2003 AKL 2002 POLY (WEDDING & HONEYMOON) "YOUR DREAMS CAN COME TRUE IF YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO PURSURE THEM." WALT DISNEY "WHEN YOU'RE CURIOUS, YOU FIND LOTS OF INTERSTING THINGS TO DO." WALT DISNEY http://www.myspace.com/wedindisney My Disney Countdown Counting down to: Going back for more magic in: Yup We're Back!

06-04-2003	#22 (permalink)
Willbegone Southern Princess Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,592	With me too it is a matter of geography, I live in SC so FL is sooooo much more convient. Plue I've never flown before and I can drive to FL. __________________ Feb. 2002: CBR Mar. 2003: POR Oct. 2005: CBR Mar. 2006: POFQ May 2007: POFQ Nov. 2008: SSR My Disney Countdown Counting down to: DDs dancing for Mickey in.... 190 days 6 hours 4 minutes

06-04-2003	#24 (permalink)
iluvwdw BLT for me! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Floral Park Village (Long Island), NY Posts: 6,858	I voted NO, BUT I'D LEAVE FROM FLA... I have taken 4 cruises (3 from New York and 1 from Miami) and ABSOLUTELY love cruises!!! I will definitely take my DS on a Disney Cruise one day, but for now, he's only 19 months and you still have to pay full price for infants and toddlers! So we will wait a while..definitely at least 4-5 years! But I would leave from Florida, not Los Angeles. I agree with others on this thread, gettiing there would be such a hassle,when I can easily hop on a plane for 2 1/2 hours to Florida! What about a Disney Cruise from New York??? THAT would be awesome!!! They could go to Florida and the Bahamas...something like that. I wonder if it's in the works...:hmmm __________________ Kim :) LIFE IS JUST BETTER WHEN YOU HAVE A DISNEY TRIP PLANNED! 1997 Double Tree ~ 1998 Vistana ~ 1999 April Vistana ~ 1999 July Vistana ~ 1999 Sept All Star Movies ~ 2000 Vistana ~ 2001 Vistana ~ 2002 Vistana ~ 2003 Aug Vistana ~ 2003 Dec All Star Sports, Polynesian & OKW ~ 2004 Feb Vistana ~ 2004 Dec Vistana ~ 2005 Vistana/All Star Music 2006 SSR and Vistana Villages ~ 2007 Sheraton Safari, Vistana, POP Century ~ 2008 Vistana Villages, Animal Kingdom Villas My Disney Countdown Counting down to: Thanksgiving at Animal Kingdom Villas! It's a surprise for the kids! On a Thanksgiving Safari at AKV

06-04-2003	#25 (permalink)
grammy Senior Mouseketeer Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	I'm with you iluvwdw! I've taken several cruisses and absolutely love them. So relaxing! My favorite was a med cruise -- actually, "Pearls of the Med"! :love: :) Especially if my kids were still kids, I would take the family on a Disney cruise. I've heard wonderful things from friends who have taken their families -- but out of Florida! :) :heart :) __________________

06-05-2003	#27 (permalink)
mickaholic4077 Currently in Timeout! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: 90 miles from The Mick!!!!! Posts: 6,193	Also,I was on Cruise411.com yesterday,and the cheapest price for a 4-night Disney cruise was 569 dollars PLUS port charges,etc.,and the cheapest price for a 7 night of Miami on the Norway with ALL fees was 428 dollars. I think the reason Disney cruises are SO expensive is the fact that they don't have casinos and since alot of their passengers are children who don't drink,they have to make money somehow.

06-05-2003	#28 (permalink)
crystalrp Mouse Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: skowhegan, maine Posts: 1,235	Another reason for the cost, mickaholic, may be that the child care clubs are available free of charge from early in the morning until midnight. I love the disney cruises! __________________ 1972~off site 1982~Contemporary 1998~Port Orleans 1999~Caribbean Beach/Disney Magic 2001~Dixie Landings/Disney Wonder 2003~Wilderness Lodge/Disney Wonder 2004~POFQ and AKL

06-06-2003	#29 (permalink)
fanatic720 Senior Mouseketeer Join Date: May 2002 Location: south florida Posts: 260	I have been on many a cruise, and would defiantely take a disney cruise outta LA, it would be my first from that port. and what better cruise line to choose for my cruising needs? __________________ oJackie luvs u all!!!! too bad I cant spend more time here!!!!!!!!!! At first it started very small as most dreams do. A twinkle in an eye, the thrill of something new. But then the dream began to grow and come alive. Touching every one of us, lighting up the sky. We share a magic day, we share enchanted nights It's a neverending story and together we all find It's been a part of me, it's been a part of you. A part of growing up together Sharing a dream come true.

06-09-2003	#30 (permalink)
CoastieMom Senior Mouseketeer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South East US Posts: 100	I would have posted yes for LA but then I realized that LA wasn't Lower Alabama.....:) __________________ Enjoying Life one day at a time...

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