The REAL Peter Pan

Cavey · 03-25-2006

Anyone ever read the book Peter Pan, which the Disney movie is based on?

Waaaaaaaaaay different.

The movie doesn't go far enough in showing how self-absorbed Peter was. He basically tricked/kidnapped the children to take them to Neverland.

The were no "catch and release" games between the Lost Boys and the Indians. They killed each other when they could.

When a Lost Boy grew too old, Peter "thinned them out," meaning, I inferred, killed them himself.

Peter was such a self-absorbed, live-for-the-moment person that a year after Wendy visited Neverland, Peter could not ever remember Captain Hook (who he killed), nor Tinkerbell, who had saved his life (Fairies, they explain, live for a very short time.)

The book, compared to the movie was much more PG-13, and much more disturbing at the end.

tigger · 03-25-2006

The Brother Grimes version of Cinderella is darker too.

Erin · 03-25-2006

That sounds horrible, Cavey.

**llama** · 03-25-2006

Well, yes, but you also have to remember that turn-of-the-century England was a much different place than 21st century America. It may seem "dark" - but it is a classic and should be respected as such. Barry also wrote it at a very difficult time in his life. I know we all love Disney - but we tend to only look at a "Disney" point-of-view. Without the original books, there would be fewer Disney movies (in their toned down version). Alice in Wonderland is a similar case. C.S. Lewis liked to "dabble" in drugs and apparently wrote most of it during a particularly interesting "trip". No doubt that's why it contains so many "interesting" characters.

tigger · 03-25-2006

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Originally Posted by llama

Well, yes, but you also have to remember that turn-of-the-century England was a much different place than 21st century America. It may seem "dark" - but it is a classic and should be respected as such. Barry also wrote it at a very difficult time in his life. I know we all love Disney - but we tend to only look at a "Disney" point-of-view. Without the original books, there would be fewer Disney movies (in their toned down version). Alice in Wonderland is a similar case. C.S. Lewis liked to "dabble" in drugs and apparently wrote most of it during a particularly interesting "trip". No doubt that's why it contains so many "interesting" characters.

Alice in Wonderland was written by Lewis Carroll. I don't think C.S. Lewis took drugs.

You are correct and I agree with you about the importance of the original stories.

Erin · 03-25-2006

I'm fascinated. I had no idea that Peter Pan had an original story, nor Alice...

**llama** · 03-25-2006

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Originally Posted by tigger

Alice in Wonderland was written by Lewis Carroll. I don't think C.S. Lewis took drugs.

You are correct and I agree with you about the importance of the original stories.

Yes, you are correct. I must check this cigarette I'm smoking

tigger · 03-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Erin

I'm fascinated. I had no idea that Peter Pan had an original story, nor Alice...

They are fascinating stories and I would encourage you to read them...

tigger · 03-25-2006

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Originally Posted by llama

Yes, you are correct. I must check this cigarette I'm smoking

LOL

**llama** · 03-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Erin

I'm fascinated. I had no idea that Peter Pan had an original story, nor Alice...

Almost every movie Disney made (I mean the old ones) come from books:

Pinnochio
Bambi
Cinderella
Snow White

They were all books or fairy tales.

**cinderbella** · 03-25-2006

Did you guys see Finding Neverland with Johnny Depp?
It was all about J.M. Barry and him writing the play Peter Pan....it was a pretty depressing (yet good) movie....I have never read the real novel..but I can imagine it would be PRETTY dark..I'll have to look into it..

Erin · 03-25-2006

I never saw Finding Neverland!
I need to, cuz Johnny Depp =

Laneysdad · 03-25-2006

A few years ago I learned a very valuable lesson. Choose between the book or a movie but never both one is bound to disappoint you. Hence my trouble with Jurassic PArk. THe book was amazing! When I saw the movie in the theatre I was seriously disappointed by what was left out. The things left out can apparently be found in the sequels. I was bummed.

Kippage · 03-25-2006

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Originally Posted by tigger

The Brother Grimes version of Cinderella is darker too.

That struck me as odd. Since I work in the back office of a library, and am responsible for verifying proper shipments (among my other dull duties), I come across a lot of stuff. About 3 weeks ago, we got a copy of this version of Cinderella. I sat down for a while and read it... woah.

Very different.

Haven't come across the original Peter Pan though...

Princess Tessa · 03-25-2006

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Originally Posted by Erin

I never saw Finding Neverland!
I need to, cuz Johnny Depp =

Oh goodness you MUST see it! It is amazingly well done and moving.
My mum and I were crying so hard at the end we had to sit in the theater for a moment

but it is a wonderful story.

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Cavey MB's Rabble Rouser® Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Carlinville, IL Posts: 6,144	The REAL Peter Pan Anyone ever read the book Peter Pan, which the Disney movie is based on? Waaaaaaaaaay different. The movie doesn't go far enough in showing how self-absorbed Peter was. He basically tricked/kidnapped the children to take them to Neverland. The were no "catch and release" games between the Lost Boys and the Indians. They killed each other when they could. When a Lost Boy grew too old, Peter "thinned them out," meaning, I inferred, killed them himself. Peter was such a self-absorbed, live-for-the-moment person that a year after Wendy visited Neverland, Peter could not ever remember Captain Hook (who he killed), nor Tinkerbell, who had saved his life (Fairies, they explain, live for a very short time.) The book, compared to the movie was much more PG-13, and much more disturbing at the end. __________________ . . Cavey, Tigger, BossMouse, Soundgod Erin, and Lil'pocohantas in association with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and Juicy Juice are proud to present Cavey-Fest III December 13, 2008

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tigger Official Sunshine Pumper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In my own skin Posts: 2,924	Re: The REAL Peter Pan The Brother Grimes version of Cinderella is darker too. __________________ * Taking this post seriously might induce serious medical issues. Please consult your doctor if you feel light headed, dizzy, have dry mouth, ringing of the ears, incontinence, vomiting, loss of vision, numbness or tingling, upset stomach, hair loss, change in breathing, toe fungus, dry skin, muscle aches, runny noise, teeth pain, heaviness of limbs, sudden hunger, dry or red eyes, or a feeling of confusion or lost.

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Erin Scooter Princess Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Welaka Posts: 9,771	Re: The REAL Peter Pan That sounds horrible, Cavey. __________________ Team Jake! http://www.twitter.com/IamBubbles www.facebook.com/scooterprincess

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llama Practically Perfect Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Slurpee Capital of the World Posts: 7,379	Re: The REAL Peter Pan Well, yes, but you also have to remember that turn-of-the-century England was a much different place than 21st century America. It may seem "dark" - but it is a classic and should be respected as such. Barry also wrote it at a very difficult time in his life. I know we all love Disney - but we tend to only look at a "Disney" point-of-view. Without the original books, there would be fewer Disney movies (in their toned down version). Alice in Wonderland is a similar case. C.S. Lewis liked to "dabble" in drugs and apparently wrote most of it during a particularly interesting "trip". No doubt that's why it contains so many "interesting" characters. __________________ Your Moderately Moderate Moderator A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BAD KITTY CLUB "Meowany Are Called, Mew Are Chosen" It's Murdoch with an "H" eleven-twenty-ten My Disney Countdown Counting down to: Christmas in Florida 33 days 5 hours 49 minutes

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Erin Scooter Princess Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Welaka Posts: 9,771	Re: The REAL Peter Pan I never saw Finding Neverland! I need to, cuz Johnny Depp = __________________ Team Jake! http://www.twitter.com/IamBubbles www.facebook.com/scooterprincess

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Laneysdad Big Cheese Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: A Plain field in Illinois Posts: 778	Re: The REAL Peter Pan A few years ago I learned a very valuable lesson. Choose between the book or a movie but never both one is bound to disappoint you. Hence my trouble with Jurassic PArk. THe book was amazing! When I saw the movie in the theatre I was seriously disappointed by what was left out. The things left out can apparently be found in the sequels. I was bummed. __________________

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