[CleveRocks]

Originally Posted by Dopey

Gee, I wish you hadn't called this thread "cheater Question" because in my mind it isn't cheating. You did pay for those tickets once. You should be free to hand them to someone as a present.

It may not be cheating in your mind, but cheating it is. Major or minor, but it's still breaking the rules. When you buy a ticket, you enter a contract, and part of that contract is that it's not transferable.

So you can change the rules in your mind if you want, but it doesn't change the rules in reality.

Bill Clinton said he didn't consider what he did with Monica Lewinsky to be cheating or to be "sexual relations." But, c'mon, doing what he did was cheating on his wife ... the fact that in his mind it wasn't cheating doesn't change the reality of the situation.

And giving away or selling partially used tickets is cheating, and the way someone feels about it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

[WishUponAStar]

Originally Posted by CleveRocks

the fact that in his mind it wasn't cheating doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Well, everyone's 'reality' can be vastly different.

[CleveRocks]

Originally Posted by WishUponAStar

Well, everyone's 'reality' can be vastly different.

Yes, but all kidding aside, when a rule or policy is in place, and in writing, it's not a matter of someone's opinion ... that rule is a fact.

For example, it's Disney policy that no one can wear Heelys in the theme parks. And it's Disney policy that no one can bring alcohol into the theme parks. I guess someone can decide it's not cheating to put Heelys on their kids and bring a flask of vodka into the park.

They can decide to break the rules ... that is a choice they can make. But they can't decide that the rule doesn't exist. It exists whether they agree with it or not.

[MissDisney]

I totally agree CR.

Originally Posted by Dopey

You did pay for those tickets once. You should be free to hand them to someone as a present.

It would be great if Disney sold multi-day passes and allowed them to be used by many people. I would happily buy a 12-day pass and use them for the four of us to go to the parks for three days in a single vacation. It's a great plan and actually makes smart marketing sense for everyone, including Disney.

However, that's not how Disney has it set up. And that's that. But there are plenty of ways to use those tickets yourself -- adjust your new tickets so you can use the old ones on this trip, or save them for a trip another time.

Originally Posted by DisneyTeacher

Tickets are nontransferable so keep them and use them on a future trip.

Bottom line: I know that I wouldn't even allow my inlaws to use them because I would feel awful about breaking the rules. But I also know that if my inlaws decided to give it a try and got in trouble at the turnstiles, I would be heartbroken.

[cjtownman]

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[cjtownman]

Lesson learned, I am moving on, lets all move on.

[snowmedia]

Let's look to the wise words of Jiminy Cricket...

"Always let your conscience be your guide!"
- Jiminy Cricket

YouTube - Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket - Always Let Your Conscience Be Your Guide!

Just give a little whistle! ;)

[Dopey]

Originally Posted by CleveRocks

It may not be cheating in your mind, but cheating it is. Major or minor, but it's still breaking the rules. When you buy a ticket, you enter a contract, and part of that contract is that it's not transferable.

So you can change the rules in your mind if you want, but it doesn't change the rules in reality.

Bill Clinton said he didn't consider what he did with Monica Lewinsky to be cheating or to be "sexual relations." But, c'mon, doing what he did was cheating on his wife ... the fact that in his mind it wasn't cheating doesn't change the reality of the situation.

And giving away or selling partially used tickets is cheating, and the way someone feels about it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

Ok, ok, if we are so terribly sensitive then you have a point.
I consider myself law abiding more so than my American friends who think it interesting to test the boundries all the time. Where I come from, it just isn't something that's done as a sport. So short, I'd like to think that I am not cheating when I assume that I can buy a ticket with my money and then I turn around and hand that ticket to my friend whom I wish to gift this ticket to. That's all the man is trying to do.
Don't come here with your high and mighty comments and try and make me or anyone else feel bad about this particular problem.

[Soundgod]

Here's a relevant article at All Ears:

Ticket Tag Finger Scans

Funny how I didn't remember how long they've been doing the Ticket Tag.
One thing I brought away from the article was this seems to have more to do with tickets that are actually identified as belonging to a specific person, with that person's name actually printed on that ticket.
We all know there are plenty of tickets out there that have no outward identification on them. It seems that in cases where there is an issue with the Ticket Tag not identifying that guest properly, you are then asked to provide a photo ID.
So I still say that if the ticket isn't identified as belonging to a certain person, there should be no problem with someone else using the remaining days on that ticket.
The ticket tag seems to have more to do with annual passes and seasonal passes, as well as tickets that are piggy backed onto room reservations.
If anyone has a recently purchased free standing paper MYW ticket, please tell us if your name is printed on the back or not.

[Soundgod]

Originally Posted by Dopey

So short, I'd like to think that I am not cheating when I assume that I can buy a ticket with my money and then I turn around and hand that ticket to my friend whom I wish to give this ticket to.

I feel the same way. In fact, in 2004, I let a friend use my park hopper plus one day and my wife's the next day so he could spent those days in the park with us (he didn't have extra cash at the time). We were on the Gold Vacation Plan which came with ultimate park hoppers for our length of stay as well as three meals a day for both of us. In fact, we treated him to a few meals with us as well (including Le Cellier which wasn't a hard to get reservation at the time) because we had more than enough meal credits and it was never an issue with any CM.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, those are park hopper plus tickets that we paid for and if we want to give up a day or two from a 5 day ticket to a friend or family member, that's our business and not the breaking of a rule. I'd call that a gift.
A similar situation would be if I went on a trip in a friend's car and I took my Sun Pass so I could pay the tolls. Technically, that device is registered to my car, but it is being used with my permission in another car and it is keyed to my credit card.

[CleveRocks]

Originally Posted by Dopey

Ok, ok, if we are so terribly sensitive then you have a point.
I consider myself law abiding more so than my American friends who think it interesting to test the boundries all the time. Where I come from, it just isn't something that's done as a sport. So short, I'd like to think that I am not cheating when I assume that I can buy a ticket with my money and then I turn around and hand that ticket to my friend whom I wish to gift this ticket to. That's all the man is trying to do.
Don't come here with your high and mighty comments and try and make me or anyone else feel bad about this particular problem.

I'm neither high nor mighty. And I don't see where stating a rule means I am trying to make someome feel bad. I believe that is called a guilty conscience.

And unlike you, I don't believe I insulted anyone. The argument must be weak if you have to resort to personal insults and name calling, rather than refuting my argument.

[Soundgod]

Originally Posted by MissDisney

It would be great if Disney sold multi-day passes and allowed them to be used by many people. I would happily buy a 12-day pass and use them for the four of us to go to the parks for three days in a single vacation.

I have no problem with Disney's allowing any one ticket to be usable only once per day, that is, if it's a non hopper, you can only enter one park that day and the ticket can't be used again to enter a different park. If it is a hopper, while it will allow a guest to enter all the parks on any given day, I have no problem with that ticket only being allowed to provide admission for one guest on any given day.
Conversely, I have no problem with that pass being used by two different people on two different days or during two entirely different visits.
That's my position and it has nothing to do with any perceived bending of the rules or gaming of the system.

[CleveRocks]

Originally Posted by Soundgod

I have no problem with that pass being used by two different people on two different days or during two entirely different visits.
That's my position and it has nothing to do with any perceived bending of the rules or gaming of the system.

I'm not arguing. I truly want to understand your stance. So PLEASE, I'm not arguing, but I would kindly appreciate a serious answer to my serious question ... if it says right on the ticket (and so on) that tickets are non-transferable, then how do you not perceive transfering the tickets as bending the rules or gaming the system? Again, I'm not arguing, just asking nicely!

[Soundgod]

Originally Posted by CleveRocks

Bill Clinton said he didn't consider what he did with Monica Lewinsky to be cheating or to be "sexual relations."

Actually, by the definition of the court in Jones v Clinton, it was the judge that defined "sexual relations" as being a very narrowly defined set of parameters that Clinton did not meet with Lewinsky.
As defined by the court, Bill Clinton could truthfully say "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky."

And no, I'm not going to draw pictures or discuss this further in depth, but I'm assuming we're all adults here and we know he did not engage in "the full Monty" so to speak.
Was he cheating? That's a different question that can only be answered by Hillary as to what exactly she considered cheating and what she didn't. Her rules, not yours.

You've actually chosen a bad example to prove your point.
I'm sorry for injecting politics into this thread.